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DIH49 · Nov 17, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by The Hand Of Death

DIH49 for one thing thanks for not resorting to flaming in your arguement.

I don't, as a rule, ever flame.

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Now what I was trying to explain was that through the gimic builds that have been used in the past, rank has become meaningless.

Nah, if that were true you wouldn't be trying to enter ranked groups. But you said people were in fact trying this. It doesn't add up.

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Yet, the problem is a lot of people don't see that rank is meaningless and are just looking for the fame emote to get into a group.

This is a fairly important point. Meaning, for this sort of value, exists insofar as people believe it exists. What this means is that if people see rank as meaningful then it IS meaningful.

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But a lot of good PvP players have stopped playing tombs because of the rank issue.

Hm, I'm not too sure I'm willing to accept this statement. I'd believe that rank issues on top of the serious HA specific issues may have caused people to leave, but not rank issues alone.

Siren · Nov 17, 2006, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

So here's the thing (and I know I've already said this, but...) pvp is a social thing. Standing around HA spamming LFG and QQing isn't going to help you accomplish anything, so take some initiative.

You say you already have a headstart on the other unranked people, which is good, because it should give you the ability to form sucessful groups. So, start forming your own groups, help people who are close to your level get on the same page as you, and add the good players to your friends list. Find out what people are good at and let them play those roles. Pretty soon you will have a list of good players who are willing to come play for you, and probably have friends of friends interested as well. Now, play with these people as often as possible, only taking PUGs when you have to fill a slot, and you should all be ranked pretty soon.

QFT

B Ephekt just laid out precisely what the newbies need to do. When experienced PvPers talk about how they had to go through the same troubles when they first started, the above is what they're talking about. When the pro-Hero camp here screams about "elitism!!!" the above is what they don't understand. When people think HA is all about ego trips, the above is what they haven't experienced or even attempted. If someone says HA is too exclusive (or exclusive at all), that is only because that person has no idea how to network, or doesn't even want to try, simply because they can't see through the LFG EXP MONK R6+++ spam...and it is spam. I guarantee that the players that spam that crap aren't worth jackshit. Only once in a blue moon will you find solid, dependable players from that.

Yunas Ele · Nov 17, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by The Bloodrose

Oh and I've gotten a few groups together to do HA lately, won and lost a few times. Had fun regardless. IMO I just think people are pissy about losing to AI. *giggle*

To your first post, why does it have to be PvErs VS PvPers, whats the deal? When all the farmers whined about the AI nerfs and stuff, did I go /notsigned there petitions to bring back old AI and then be like "learn to adapt like us pvpers, bitches". No, I didn't. I don't think many PvPers did either (can't speak for all of em, but whatever...).

Anyways on the post I quoted, I'm assuming you're more of a pve-oriented player, yes? (Hence you're having fun fighting bots). Well theres nothing wrong with that. But you have three whole continents of PvE, why do you need to come PvE in HA, a previously PvP mode... some of us like PvE, some of us like PvP (and why do the two groups of people need to hate each other? they don't...). HA is a pvp area, keep it that way...

Finally, read the post. Yes, there are a few pissy complainers who complain about heroway because they lost to it (this is the same people who complain about IWAY, vimway, b-spike, etc...) but majority of us complain because we don't have fun owning AI...

P.S - Calling people bitches every other sentence isn't the best way to get yourself taken seriously...

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Originally Posted by The Hand Of Death

Yeah, rank 0 groups can be quite good, but I really have only been in one of those while the rest have been made of a good group of player with one or two that screw the whole thing up.

When you get that good group, you friends list the players in that team. Be social and make sure they know your adding them, so they add you to. What do you know, you'll get invited to these good player's teams and you can form your own team with these players. There you go, rank problem is out of the way, you've got a group of friends to play with. Friends groups will always be better than pugs. R0 friend team > r9+ pug. Seen the r0 friends team beat r9+ pug so many times...

Tommy · Nov 17, 2006, 04:53 AM // 04:53

what anet is trying to do is shorten our party to look for a party. now we can play with 2 ppl instead of 8. so we can join in the action faster

you guys dont have problem in pvp in countrystrike.. you shouldn't ahve problem here either

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hyro yamaguchi · Nov 17, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by Lykan

Im sure i've posted this answer before but well.

Rank 1 on the guild ladder can be achieved in weeks, Rank 9/10/11 in Fame, well some people have taken well over a year to achieve. That may have been a option at the start of the game but its too late now.
I'm sure everyone would be sooooo happy if fame was reset.
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So? If it was good far the game. And I'm not talking about a season, but a one time reset, to stop the inflation. People who are good, shouldn't care about fame anyway, people who suck but ebayed/iwayd/Sf'ed their fame will cry indeed, let them, they are just pathetic.

Taurucis · Nov 17, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

/signed on this one, I agree with OP about half team must be human.

Back when I got from r0 to r2, I was in a strictly PvP guild. A couple of my friends worked hard to get me in even though I had almost no GvG experience and little HA experience. Still, from playing Shock/Axe in the HA teams, I watched my team's monks and eventually learned how to monk myself. I was constantly looking over my shoulder to make sure I would never give anyone an excuse to kick me. Each mistake I made, each skill bar error, I always answered with "k I'll fix it" so that I could stay in the guild. It worked, and eventually I was about 100 fame to r3 before the guild broke up. I finished getting to r3 on the double fame weekend.

What disgusts me is all the people running around with Heroes, grabbing fame easily, while the older players had to work hard for it. I'm not against PvE'ers with rank (I'm one) but after watching heroway steamroll nearly everything, I don't think Heroes should be allowed in HA. Maybe they took "Hero's Ascent" too literally, eh?

I think that none of these fame faming heroway-ers ever had to do all they can to stay in a GvG guild that would kick them on a whim. Fame means next to nothing now. All of the players who gained their ranks before the addition of Heroes have gotten seriously ripped off. Still, the other side of me thinks it's good that unranked people now can get fame without guilds, friends, or rank.

Call me a "PvE noob intruding into PvP" if you will, but there's no unwritten law stating that I have to stay in PvE always and never touch high-end PvP. Or call me a "PvP r3 elitist" if you want. Know that the only things I am against are heroes in HA, they're ruining it, and people who think they're "uber l337" because they can beat you with it.

If the fame was reset without Heroes being removed from HA, there would just be a ton of really, really upset rank 9+. Even though I wouldn't really support a fame reset, it would be a good idea to remove Heroes from HA first.

There needs to be something like divisions (like what some other guy said, but I don't remember his name) so that the unranked people will fight other unranks.

People say a guild group always beats a pug... no, not always true, once my friend and I got together a random team and beat a guild ranked 90 or so a long time ago. But that's not very important...

My one and three-quarters cents. Enjoy.

Lykan · Nov 17, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

So? If it was good far the game. And I'm not talking about a season, but a one time reset, to stop the inflation. People who are good, shouldn't care about fame anyway, people who suck but ebayed/iwayd/Sf'ed their fame will cry indeed, let them, they are just pathetic.

It wouldnt be good for the game. People who wanted to make teams wouldnt look any further than their friends lists to find people for teams, no one with any sense would take a pug they didnt know (thats if they even stayed in the game at all). There would be lots of very close clicks and random newbies still wouldnt get a look in. Within 2 weeks the ones who had rank would have deers and wolves and unranked people would still be whining they cant find teams.
You think all the people with ranks 12 and 13 want all their months and I means lots of months of playing wiped out? I spent lots of long and hard nites getting my rank and I dont want to do it all over again. Im interested to know how much fame you have Hyro.

Rank is not what stops people finding teams to play in. People being lazy and not willing to put an effort into the game is the problem. Everyone moans about not being able to find teams but they arent willing to bite the bullet and make their own teams. Unranked players need to take the bull by the horns and start fighting back, go on observer and find a build and get teams together.
No one in this game started out at Rank 3, the ones with high rank got off their asses and did something about it.
If you want to have any success in HA you have to devote your entire game to it, leave your pve guilds and start over. And playing with heros is not the answer.

(Edit: in fact I dont like how some people have champion title and wont let me in their guilds, lets wipe those out too. And some people have capped more skills than me and have titles I dont, I feel left out QQ, wipe those please. If you wipe one title in the game you have to wipe them all to uphold the balance of GW.)

Meta Dervish · Nov 17, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

Easy solution, don't remove fame, just make it so that you can't emote or show the title in HA. Looking at lykan's join date: may 2005. Which means he probably started playing right at the beginning. Obviously he had no problem with getting his rank, there isn't even any real rank discrimination at that time. I was playing at that time too and it was a breeze in the park because most of the people are lower than R3 anyways.

Lord Mendes · Nov 18, 2006, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by Meta Dervish

Easy solution, don't remove fame, just make it so that you can't emote or show the title in HA.

rofl...

hyro yamaguchi · Nov 18, 2006, 11:59 AM // 11:59

@Lykan

Ok true, i don't have all that much fame :P
Anyway, when you look at the game, wouldn't you say that the heroway+SF madness has caused a huge rank inflation? I see less r3+ PuG's than unranked.

Now I'll just be assuming that this sudden spike of fame has been caused by heroway+SF, so that's a lot of unexperienced players having r6+ or something like that. Now count up all the fame gained by Iway, and Ebay, and you'll get an idea of how much 'undeserved' fame there is.

And yes a lot of people whine about not getting into groups, and I don't balme them, it is hard, while these people don't have to be unskilled.

Now to straighten things up, why not make everyone equal, instead of reward playing/farming time?

As you said, after 2 moths, good players will get their fame again, and bad players won't. It's simply a way to reset rank inflation.

But offcourse this is coming from a r2, 150 fame guy, so that might have something to do with it :P

B Ephekt · Nov 18, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

"Rank inflation" doesn't matter one bit. Anet didn't deem it necessary to reset fame after some people got thousands and thousands of fame from AFKing on an alter during the spirit spam days. It would be pointless to reset it now.

With heroway/SF, you're talking about people getting maybe a couple hundred to 1k fame. Who cares?